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I bought these pants because we are going into spring/summer months and I do not wear shorts. Being a thicker girl I don't like showing off my legs. Hello body dysmorphia! However, these pants are super soft, not too thick not too thin. I am about 5'4 and I pull these pants up to below my knee and they fit perfectly. If I keep them pulled straight down they probably would be right at the middle of my calf? I will say DEFINITELY SIZE UP. If you take anything from this review let it be that! SIZE UP. I had originally ordered my usual size of XL. Then I decided to read the reviews again and I cancelled my order and reordered them in XXL. If I would of stuck with the XL order these pants would not have fit. They would of been as tight as spandex or worse. I tried the XXL on and they're a wee bit snug which I think they're supposed to be but they're still super comfortable. I am about 235-240 pounds and I have thick thighs. I hope this review helps my girls out there looking for comfy pants!