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Nice enough pants, but not for me. Slim fit, which I did want, but sits high on the waist with no stretch or give. If you're built like me, short and short-waisted, with more pudge in the middle than you should have, this style may not work for you. I bought a khaki shade in 10 and the black ones in a 12 (a lot longer and looser in the leg but still tight at the waist). Both need to go back.