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I don't understand other reviews saying these are true to size. I just received these in my normal size (8) and I couldn't even pull them up to my hips. I would say they are closer to a size 4. I received the wide leg chinos today also in size 8 by the same brand and they fit fine. I will be returning these and I just ordered them in size 12 to see if they fit more like an 8.